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		<title>By: münsterlandNR.1</title>
		<link>http://www.klangart.ch/2009/minaret-ban-embarrassed-to-be-a-swiss/#comment-729</link>
		<dc:creator>münsterlandNR.1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ich kann en user georg nur zustimmen,mein erlebnis: wir fahren mit 18 fussballfans von unserem fanclub aus in die schweiz,mit herzlichen grüssen von zollbeamten wie:,,wo kommt ihr denn her ?sei ihr aus der mongolei ausgebrochen?egal einfach mal hingenommen,schleßlich hat man alss ausländer schon rassistischere sprüche zu ohren bekommen.doch er zollbeamte war noch nicht befriedigt.alle einreisende einfach passieren lassen,und uns natürlich weiter schikaniert,45 min. für einen grenzübertritt am baseler bahnhof,obwohl fast alle deutsche dokumente hatten.wir daraufhin sofort unsere hotelreservierungen storniert,mit der bemerkung:diese alpenbauern sollen kein cent/groschen durch uns verdienen.die beamten daraufhin sehr aggressiv und handgreiflich geworden.ich un zwei andere natürlich denen ein paar geboxt.natürlich beide bei polizei übernachtet,morgens bei der entlassung der nächste schock:meine schuhbänder in abwesenheit von mir mit schere durchschnitten und auf meinem gürtel ein hakenkreuz eingekratzt.ich nur die angeguckt,,solche leute sind für die sicherheit dieses landes verantwortlich,die sich hinterhältig an wehrlose gegenstände vergreifen?und angespuckt.wieder verhaftung!!willkommen in der schweiz,lächerlich</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ich kann en user georg nur zustimmen,mein erlebnis: wir fahren mit 18 fussballfans von unserem fanclub aus in die schweiz,mit herzlichen grüssen von zollbeamten wie:,,wo kommt ihr denn her ?sei ihr aus der mongolei ausgebrochen?egal einfach mal hingenommen,schleßlich hat man alss ausländer schon rassistischere sprüche zu ohren bekommen.doch er zollbeamte war noch nicht befriedigt.alle einreisende einfach passieren lassen,und uns natürlich weiter schikaniert,45 min. für einen grenzübertritt am baseler bahnhof,obwohl fast alle deutsche dokumente hatten.wir daraufhin sofort unsere hotelreservierungen storniert,mit der bemerkung:diese alpenbauern sollen kein cent/groschen durch uns verdienen.die beamten daraufhin sehr aggressiv und handgreiflich geworden.ich un zwei andere natürlich denen ein paar geboxt.natürlich beide bei polizei übernachtet,morgens bei der entlassung der nächste schock:meine schuhbänder in abwesenheit von mir mit schere durchschnitten und auf meinem gürtel ein hakenkreuz eingekratzt.ich nur die angeguckt,,solche leute sind für die sicherheit dieses landes verantwortlich,die sich hinterhältig an wehrlose gegenstände vergreifen?und angespuckt.wieder verhaftung!!willkommen in der schweiz,lächerlich</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel</title>
		<link>http://www.klangart.ch/2009/minaret-ban-embarrassed-to-be-a-swiss/#comment-713</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ich denke auch, dass es in den Städten idR nicht so ist. Aus meinem Bekanntenkreis und aus eigener Erfahrung – da mein Äusseres nicht immer der Norm entschprich – schaut das auf dem Lande schon etwas anders aus. 

Pauschalisierung ist eine Krankheit, gegen die Syngenta leider noch kein Kraut erfunden hat... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ich denke auch, dass es in den Städten idR nicht so ist. Aus meinem Bekanntenkreis und aus eigener Erfahrung – da mein Äusseres nicht immer der Norm entschprich – schaut das auf dem Lande schon etwas anders aus. </p>
<p>Pauschalisierung ist eine Krankheit, gegen die Syngenta leider noch kein Kraut erfunden hat&#8230; <img src='http://www.klangart.ch/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: phelot</title>
		<link>http://www.klangart.ch/2009/minaret-ban-embarrassed-to-be-a-swiss/#comment-712</link>
		<dc:creator>phelot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The consequence for me is, to simply avoid Switzerland now, especially after that vote that is a confirmation of what I experienced. Congratulations Switzerland, I think you will not be happy with the consequences you created for yourself after that vote!&lt;/blockquote&gt;krass übertrieben, als ob man in zürich oder sonst einer stadt schikaniert wird, da man ausländer ist. nicht mal im hintersten appenzell wirst du dumm angemacht, ausser man verhält sich falsch/ist unhöflich (was schlussendlich auch nichts mehr mit dem ausländersein zu tun hat.) Scheint mir jetzt ein extremer Ausnahmefall zu sein, nichts weiter. ~57% stimmten Ja bei der Initiative, 30% von denen vielleicht weil sie wirklich leicht rassistisch veranlagt sind. Aber nun sind alle Schweizer Rassisten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The consequence for me is, to simply avoid Switzerland now, especially after that vote that is a confirmation of what I experienced. Congratulations Switzerland, I think you will not be happy with the consequences you created for yourself after that vote!</p></blockquote>
<p>krass übertrieben, als ob man in zürich oder sonst einer stadt schikaniert wird, da man ausländer ist. nicht mal im hintersten appenzell wirst du dumm angemacht, ausser man verhält sich falsch/ist unhöflich (was schlussendlich auch nichts mehr mit dem ausländersein zu tun hat.) Scheint mir jetzt ein extremer Ausnahmefall zu sein, nichts weiter. ~57% stimmten Ja bei der Initiative, 30% von denen vielleicht weil sie wirklich leicht rassistisch veranlagt sind. Aber nun sind alle Schweizer Rassisten.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel</title>
		<link>http://www.klangart.ch/2009/minaret-ban-embarrassed-to-be-a-swiss/#comment-710</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 02:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, welcome back! You really care, aren&#039;t you. I like that! 

Well, I&#039;m aware of that statement is somewhat provoking and sarcastic, but not without reason. It may make people see things from a different angle. 

Again, technically you are correct. But I think the pope must be aware that many folks will follow him without thinking and I claim he&#039;s in charge for that. 

That makes him not a direct murderer as Jack the Ripper. But, to be provoking again, Stalin didn&#039;t kill people by himself not either, but
&lt;blockquote&gt;He may contribute to the death of people (who are finally themselves responsible for their acts)&lt;/blockquote&gt;
and he is considered a mass murder. So in my – sarcastic, disrespectful and arrogant – point of view my statement is not clearly wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, welcome back! You really care, aren&#8217;t you. I like that! </p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;m aware of that statement is somewhat provoking and sarcastic, but not without reason. It may make people see things from a different angle. </p>
<p>Again, technically you are correct. But I think the pope must be aware that many folks will follow him without thinking and I claim he&#8217;s in charge for that. </p>
<p>That makes him not a direct murderer as Jack the Ripper. But, to be provoking again, Stalin didn&#8217;t kill people by himself not either, but</p>
<blockquote><p>He may contribute to the death of people (who are finally themselves responsible for their acts)</p></blockquote>
<p>and he is considered a mass murder. So in my – sarcastic, disrespectful and arrogant – point of view my statement is not clearly wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Catholic</title>
		<link>http://www.klangart.ch/2009/minaret-ban-embarrassed-to-be-a-swiss/#comment-709</link>
		<dc:creator>Catholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Your argumentation is out of touch with reality.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I don&#039;t care if you call the pope (or me) out of touch with reality. 
My argument is that there is no basis for calling him a &lt;strong&gt;mass murderer&lt;/strong&gt;. He may contribute to the death of people (who are finally themselves responsible for their acts) but that does not make him a mass murderer.

See, you pretend to be so politically correct because you care for minorities in your country (which is good) but then you call someone a mass murderer on no basis.

Maybe I&#039;m wrong and you never thought that &quot;the pope is a mass murderer&quot; is a justified statement. If that is the case then please say so (and maybe adjust your post to avoid the impression)! And I apologize for ranting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
Your argumentation is out of touch with reality.
</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t care if you call the pope (or me) out of touch with reality.<br />
My argument is that there is no basis for calling him a <strong>mass murderer</strong>. He may contribute to the death of people (who are finally themselves responsible for their acts) but that does not make him a mass murderer.</p>
<p>See, you pretend to be so politically correct because you care for minorities in your country (which is good) but then you call someone a mass murderer on no basis.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m wrong and you never thought that &#8220;the pope is a mass murderer&#8221; is a justified statement. If that is the case then please say so (and maybe adjust your post to avoid the impression)! And I apologize for ranting.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel</title>
		<link>http://www.klangart.ch/2009/minaret-ban-embarrassed-to-be-a-swiss/#comment-707</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all who are concerned about their future and think social exclusion and deliminations of areas will save their anxious lives shoult watch &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8266a_650-million-years-in-120-min_tech&quot; title=&quot;650 million years in 1.3 minutes&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this short video&lt;/a&gt;. 

How earth became what it is today, and how it will be in the future. It&#039;s enlightning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all who are concerned about their future and think social exclusion and deliminations of areas will save their anxious lives shoult watch <a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8266a_650-million-years-in-120-min_tech" title="650 million years in 1.3 minutes" rel="nofollow">this short video</a>. </p>
<p>How earth became what it is today, and how it will be in the future. It&#8217;s enlightning.</p>
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		<title>By: feed</title>
		<link>http://www.klangart.ch/2009/minaret-ban-embarrassed-to-be-a-swiss/#comment-706</link>
		<dc:creator>feed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>da hört man mal was gutes aus der schweiz, nicht nur immer vom käse mit löchern!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>da hört man mal was gutes aus der schweiz, nicht nur immer vom käse mit löchern!</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel</title>
		<link>http://www.klangart.ch/2009/minaret-ban-embarrassed-to-be-a-swiss/#comment-705</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that&#039;s hard stuff. I&#039;m sorry for that. 

As I wrote in the article, fear is generally the same thing to all humans. Wether Coke tin bullets or Minaret spearheads: In troubled times it&#039;s always the others fault, unless you are able to reflect on yourself. 

I don&#039;t think Government will cut international relationships because of this vote – if it comes hard on hard, industry near politicians will not allow this. So, dear EU, help us in Libya and declare this vote al illegal! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that&#8217;s hard stuff. I&#8217;m sorry for that. </p>
<p>As I wrote in the article, fear is generally the same thing to all humans. Wether Coke tin bullets or Minaret spearheads: In troubled times it&#8217;s always the others fault, unless you are able to reflect on yourself. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Government will cut international relationships because of this vote – if it comes hard on hard, industry near politicians will not allow this. So, dear EU, help us in Libya and declare this vote al illegal! <img src='http://www.klangart.ch/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: georg</title>
		<link>http://www.klangart.ch/2009/minaret-ban-embarrassed-to-be-a-swiss/#comment-704</link>
		<dc:creator>georg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...an interesting vote, especially just one day after I had an interesting occurence after crossing the german-swiss border together with a canadian friend who is asian looking that had to catch a flight in Zürich! We were stopped by the &quot;Grenzwache&quot; border patrol unit who wanted to do an inspection on us and search the car, after a couple of minutes of bullying around I told them that we need to finish because otherwise we will miss the plane in Zürich, the response of the border patrol guy was &quot;we don&#039;t need you here, you have airports in Germany as well, why don&#039;t you go there!&quot; all that with a big smirk on his face!

I grew up next to the swiss border in Germany, I used to love Switzerland for the tolerance you could experience there, for their diplomacy and the art of not participate in silly games of world politics and still be successful. Switzerland changed dramatically the last couple of months, the level of xenophobia you experience as a foreigner is sometimes scary. A couple of weeks ago some construction worker shouted on me after I asked him for a simple road instruction information &quot;piss of stupid german asshole...&quot;!

The consequence for me is, to simply avoid Switzerland now, especially after that vote that is a confirmation of what I experienced. Congratulations Switzerland, I think you will not be happy with the consequences you created for yourself after that vote!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;an interesting vote, especially just one day after I had an interesting occurence after crossing the german-swiss border together with a canadian friend who is asian looking that had to catch a flight in Zürich! We were stopped by the &#8220;Grenzwache&#8221; border patrol unit who wanted to do an inspection on us and search the car, after a couple of minutes of bullying around I told them that we need to finish because otherwise we will miss the plane in Zürich, the response of the border patrol guy was &#8220;we don&#8217;t need you here, you have airports in Germany as well, why don&#8217;t you go there!&#8221; all that with a big smirk on his face!</p>
<p>I grew up next to the swiss border in Germany, I used to love Switzerland for the tolerance you could experience there, for their diplomacy and the art of not participate in silly games of world politics and still be successful. Switzerland changed dramatically the last couple of months, the level of xenophobia you experience as a foreigner is sometimes scary. A couple of weeks ago some construction worker shouted on me after I asked him for a simple road instruction information &#8220;piss of stupid german asshole&#8230;&#8221;!</p>
<p>The consequence for me is, to simply avoid Switzerland now, especially after that vote that is a confirmation of what I experienced. Congratulations Switzerland, I think you will not be happy with the consequences you created for yourself after that vote!</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel</title>
		<link>http://www.klangart.ch/2009/minaret-ban-embarrassed-to-be-a-swiss/#comment-703</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
&lt;blockquote&gt;Klarer kann es nicht sein: … Manipulation durch alle Medien zugunsten des Islam. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Der vorherige Kommentator, specialK, sieht das scheinbar anders. 

Text lesen ist gut, jeden Text lesen noch besser. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Klarer kann es nicht sein: … Manipulation durch alle Medien zugunsten des Islam. </p></blockquote>
<p>Der vorherige Kommentator, specialK, sieht das scheinbar anders. </p>
<p>Text lesen ist gut, jeden Text lesen noch besser. <img src='http://www.klangart.ch/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Samuel</title>
		<link>http://www.klangart.ch/2009/minaret-ban-embarrassed-to-be-a-swiss/#comment-702</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basically you&#039;re right. But the Pope, and Chritianity, are saying since 2000 years not to kill and to love the neighbor etc. Your argumentation is out of touch with reality. 

Mankind won&#039;t stop having sex – the only pragmatic solution is to use condoms. And to stop production and dealing of high tech weapons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basically you&#8217;re right. But the Pope, and Chritianity, are saying since 2000 years not to kill and to love the neighbor etc. Your argumentation is out of touch with reality. </p>
<p>Mankind won&#8217;t stop having sex – the only pragmatic solution is to use condoms. And to stop production and dealing of high tech weapons.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen. 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Volksabstimmungen abschaffen und alles einer kleinen “Elite” überlassen, die womöglich im Interesse der Schweiz sinnvollere Entscheidungen trifft?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Na ja, was die Eliten zu treiben vermögen, sehen wir ja in anderen Staaten. Es ist doch Hans wie Heiri, ob die Machtgeilen das Volk oder die Elite kaufen. Am ehesten würde ich den Job noch Pholosophen zutrauen, die sind im Denken geschult...
&lt;blockquote&gt;Traditionell zerstören die “nationalen” Parteien die Nation – eine gewollte Paradoxie? – scheinbar, das Gegenteil zu behaupten wird immer schwieriger.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Genau diese Art Denken meine ich! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen. </p>
<blockquote><p>Volksabstimmungen abschaffen und alles einer kleinen “Elite” überlassen, die womöglich im Interesse der Schweiz sinnvollere Entscheidungen trifft?</p></blockquote>
<p>Na ja, was die Eliten zu treiben vermögen, sehen wir ja in anderen Staaten. Es ist doch Hans wie Heiri, ob die Machtgeilen das Volk oder die Elite kaufen. Am ehesten würde ich den Job noch Pholosophen zutrauen, die sind im Denken geschult&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>Traditionell zerstören die “nationalen” Parteien die Nation – eine gewollte Paradoxie? – scheinbar, das Gegenteil zu behaupten wird immer schwieriger.</p></blockquote>
<p>Genau diese Art Denken meine ich! <img src='http://www.klangart.ch/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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